One song at a time - 13. Mai re main kaase kahoon

(Madanmohan - Lata)
"Everything stated or expressed by man is a note in the margin of a completely erased text. From what's in the note we can extract the gist of what must have been in the text, but there's always a doubt, and the possible meanings are many."  Thus spoke Fernando Pessoa, the great Portuguese poet. (Translation given here is by Richard Zenith.) This clearly expresses the difficulty inherent in communication. When communicating using a language is difficult, think about the difficulty when a music director wants to communicate his / her ideas to the singer. While music has developed its own language, it is almost impossible to capture all the nuances using the musical notation. The micro tones, the colour needed to be invoked, the modulation required and most importantly, the emotion that needs to be conveyed. All these have to pass from mere thoughts in the music directors mind to actual song sung by the singer. During this process a lot can be lost or if the singer is good, something may be gained.

It is no wonder that many music directors stuck to their favourite singers, since they felt these were the people who could clearly understand what they were experiencing and bring out what is exactly needed. One such pair which needs no introduction to anyone listening to Indian film music is that of Madanmohan and Lata. For Lata, he was 'Madan Bhaiyya', the rakhee brother. For Madanmohan, she was his muse. Together they created magic which remains unsurpassed even today.

The song for today is 'mai re main kaase kahoon' from the movie 'Dastak'. This is one of the better Hindi movies I have seen, with a very interesting premise. Madanmohan's music adds a lot to this movie. The movie has songs like 'baiya na daro', 'hum hai mata-e-koochar'. The most famous was 'baiya na daro' which appears regularly in all 'Best of Lata' collections and rightly so.  We used to hear the song I am featuring today regularly during our college days in our gym. The reason for our interest was as much due to the singer as to the tune. The version we had on LP was the one sung by Madanmohan himself. The Lata version is the one used in the movie but we were fascinated by Madanmohan version. Luckily I found a link in youtube which gives both the versions one after the other.

This is a good case study to see what the composer had in his mind and how that got translated by the singer. What was lost during this translation and what was gained? You can check that out for yourselves. There is definitely a difference in the feeling when you hear the Madanmohan version and when you hear Lata's version. The individual signature of each singer is evident. Interesting to hear this because we are talking about two people who musically understood each other very well and yet, as Pessoa says, some things may still be notes on the margin of a completely erased text.

Enjoy the song here: (uploaded in youtube by 'bombaymumbaidreams')

Comments

Navya said…
Nicely written writeup about undoubtedly the evergreen combitnation in Hindi Film Music- Madan Mohan and Lata. The crucial role played by a music director in conveying the exact emotion which composition is supposed to has been brilliantly explained in your words!

Looking forward to your unleashing of more such wonderful gems as one we have here!
Suresh S said…
Thanks Navya for the comment.
Aakarsh said…
One of my most favourite Madan Mohan songs.I love the whole album as such but yes, even for me, this song ranks no.1 in the whole album. probably more to do with the emotional feel infused, in contrast to the classically driven Baiyyan Na Dharo.One composer who remained an Enigma to me - Madan Mohan.I always wonder "How did he do this", when i listen to his songs.
Nicely written post.I too have both these versions of this song. If I am not wrong,it is from Legends Series released by HMV.By the way, if you dont have it, buy that. Each and every song in the compilation is a nugget. That makes Madan Mohan Special.
Suresh S said…
Thanks Kamal for the comments. I honestly don't know how many Madanmohan CDs I have!! I have bought a lot of them and each one is worth it. His tunes, especially for Lata, are top class.
ravinat said…
There are several Lata-Madan Mohan favorites of mine.

Lata was at her best and Madan Mohan used her voice very so nicely. All the ones listed below are immortal melodies of the combo.

1. Aaaj Socha to Aasoon Bhar Aaye from Haste Zakhm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VkmV-D-0A)
2. Aap Ki Nazron Ne Samja from Anpadh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE_OXVkoMlM)
3. Aap Kyun Roye from Woh Kaun Thi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsL9vsbTcvY)
4. Betaab Dil Ki Tamanna Yahi Hai from Haste Zakhm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUMm7XLx9qw)
5. Hum Pyar Mein Jalnewalon Ka from Jailor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X1IPWcnVAw)
6. Jana Tha Hamse Door from Adalat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOI2t7TWhqI)
7 Lag Jaa Gale - Perhaps his most famous tune, from Woh Kaun Thi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFr6G5zveS8)
8. Ruke Ruke Se Kadam from Mausam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mo_xNdxgnI)
9. Woh Bhooli Dastan from Sanjog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CusmKbiv5Q4)
10.Yun Husraton Ke Daag from Adalat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRiwBiXAExY)
11. Zara Si Aahat Hoti Hai from Haqeekat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfDcORNi4Rk)

and my all time favorite Dil Dhoondtha Hai from Mausam with Bhoopinder/Gulzar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXtm4XyKkgk

and the Bhupinder version, slow and super track! I have heard this at least over a 100 times.

He was one of the greatest orchestrators of Hindi film music.

I can go on and on in this topic. I have no respect for Bollywood, when it cannot produce a composer of this calibre.

It's hard to believe such composers existed in the Hindi Film Music world.

Sorry for the mini-blogging on your blog

Ravi Natarajan
Suresh S said…
Ravi,

You are more than welcome to mini blog here. Reading the comments of a music lover is always a joy. Thanks for all those links. You have bookmarked them for me now :)

Any lover of melody cannot but be drawn towards Madanmohan. He was an amazing composer. Only someone like Roshan could match him in the melody department. I too love 'Dil Doondhtha Hai' a lot.

I am happy that my post has got you posting here.
ravinat said…
I forgot to add the slow version of Dil Dhoondtha Hai by Bhoopinder with lyrics by Gulzar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh91UUQtFL0

Great recording, outstanding orchestration, and Madan Mohan. Where do you hear such strings in HFM today?

It does not get any better!

Cheers


Ravi Natarajan
Suresh S said…
"Where do you hear such strings in HFM today?"

:) Well, once RD left the fray, HFM lost its way. That's how I see it. And I know you hold similar views. (As with everything there are exceptions but few and far between. The soul is lost.)
Aakarsh said…
Ravinat,

why is it hard to believe to that such composers existed in Hindi Film Music scene? :-) till 80s, the HFM field had wonderful composers with their own unique styles and schools of thought. They were so outstanding and yet different that it is really difficult to compare one with another.

And by the way, the slower version of 'Dil Doondhtha Hai' by Bhupinder was orchestrated/arranged by R.D.Burman.Composition was by Madan Mohan, which was stunning anyway.Madan Mohan passed away during the making of Mausam and Gulzar requested RD to record the last song - which is the slower version.Infact, you can sense slight difference in recording quality between other songs and this slow song.

To sum up, Suresh said it right - once RD left, the whole era ended.
Rmdeva said…
Thanks suresh, actually this is the 1 st song I m listening from madman Mohan. I started rd burman, Kishore, mukesh and run around between them. Nice start lets see where will go with song on madan Mohan composition.
rmdeva said…
Aakarsh, I too agree that Hindi songs had better compositions those days . I lost myself with rdb compositions and orchestrations. They had missed the chance to conitinue that magic

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