MSV : His Music and his times - Part 6 Some aspects of style



A question which lot of people ask about Vishwanathan Ramamurthy is, "What was Ramamurthy's contribution to Vishwanathan-Ramamurthy pair?". We all know that Ramamurthy faded away after composing for a few films post their split and Vishwanathan became MSV and for the next decade and more he would be the most sought after music director in the Tamil film industry.

Now, I personally have no inside information about who did what in the Vishwanathan Ramamurthy duo and I have read some conflicting reports. No one has really spoken about this in public: not the music directors themselves, nor the lyricists, the producers, directors or actors. What we can do is to analyze how things were post the split and come to some conclusion on what could have been Ramamurthy's contribution and how MSV's style changed after Ramamurthy left.

We have to undertake this exercise with a bit of humility and also with the disclaimer that it is only an exercise in understanding something and what the duo did should rightfully be credited to both of them. With this understanding, let us try and figure out what MSV gained and what he gave up when it came to his new style.

To do this let us listen to a few Ramamurthy numbers. Here is a song from 'Neelagiri Express' , 'naan kavignan alla'. This was a 1968 film.



Here is 'sandana kudaththula' from 'Thangasurangam'



These are both nice melodies and probably amongst the best Ramamurthy created. Yet you can observe that these don't have the natural flow or the very natural melody which was the hallmark of the duo. You can see that Ramamurthy has put in effort in terms of trying to get a bit more complex structure to the song and also to the rhythm pattern. I have heard some more songs of Ramamurthy and you can hear them in youtube. Based on these songs and the other ones I heard, it is clear to me that the natural sounding tune with the amazing melody was probably MSV's doing. I mean I don't hear something to match 'indha manrathil odi varum' or 'naalaam naalaam thirunaalam' in Ramamurthy's music whereas we can always come up with 'muthukalo kangal' or 'poo maalaiyil' melodies which will stand up to anything they had done together.

If melody was probably the area which MSV excelled in, what was Ramamurthy's contribution? I think Ramamurthy's contribution was that he gave structure to the overall song with his control over the orchestra. The Vishwanathan Ramamurthy songs were well structured and the interludes sounded very taut and organic. The very smoothly fitted into the overall frame work logically. Ramamurthy seems to have kept a tight leash over the orchestra and even when they were exuberant he held them back to ensure their energy didn't dominate the song. This structural consistency of the overall song was of an higher order when it came to Vishwanathan Ramamurthy songs compared to the latter day MSV songs. Let me try and illustrate this with a few examples. (Again, let me state this is just my theory. Please don't take as if it actually happened.). We must also remember that Ramamurthy was a formally trained musician and that probably had an impact on how the orchestra was controlled.

Here is a song we have heard earlier and I am sure you will not mind hearing it again. 'naalaam naalam thirunaalaam'. This is an exuberant love song but observe how it is controlled from an orchestral point of view. The tabla player's exuberance is muted and he doesn't dominate the proceedings.



Now watch this song, 'chandrodayam oru penn aanoado'. The tune is typical MSV but you hear the changing orchestral style with the tabla dominating from the pallavi itself. And it asserts itself in the charanam also. In the sense that in 'naalam naalam' you would not have heard the tabla consciously whereas here you cannot avoid hearing it.

Or let me take another typical MSV number, 'ninaithen vandhai' from 'Kavalkaran' (1968).



Not only the orchestra, the singers also have more freedom. The interludes too are a bit 'loose'. In the sense they don't come together tightly as one single idea but rather as a joining of two or three different ideas. This freedom from instrumentalists and singers would be a major feature of MSV's music.

Here I will put up two very similar numbers, both songs on Lord Muruga, one a Susheela solo and one Susheela singing with Soolamangalam Rajalakshmi. (As an exercise can you try and listen to the songs without seeing the video and guess which is by Vishwanathan Ramamurthy and which is by MSV? No cheating please. Will give you the answer at the end. Just listen to the characteristics I have mentioned till now)

Here is the first song:



Here is the second one:



So what changed in MSV's music after the split? As I said, the 1965 and early 1966 probably had some Vishwanathan Ramamurthy influence but the later day MSV was an exuberant man. It was as if someone has removed his shackles and his songs became brighter and more energetic. He got more of western orchestration into his songs and slowly MSV's exuberant songs became his signature songs. Let us check out a couple of songs to try and get the contrast.

This song has high Vishwanath Ramamurthy influence and till now I was very sure that this was a Vishwanathan Ramamurthy number. 'mouname paarvaiyal' ('Kodimalar')



Very controlled orchestration and the happiness doesn't really flow out in the song even though the song is a happy one. (I sometimes feel that this song as well as 'kunguma pottin sangamam' are both inspired by Shankar Jaikishen's 'yeh jo mera prem patra padkar')

Contrast that to this duet. Here it is a no holds bar duet with the song brimming with energy and happiness. 'poo malayil' from 'Ooty Varai Uravu'.



Finally here are two songs. The first one is by Vishwanathan Ramamurthy where even a joyful duet sounds a bit sad.



And here is a MSV song where even a sad song sounds so joyful !!



What MSV lost in terms of tautness of structure and control he balanced in terms of exuberance and brightness of melody. In the next part we will see what is Vishwanathan Ramamurthy's legacy and what was their impact on other film industries. We will also look at the state of Hindi and Telugu film music of those times.

Answer to the Murugan songs: 'azhagan muruganidam' by Vishwanathan Ramamurthy. 'thiruppugazhai paada paada' by MSV



Comments

rmdeva said…
First I am listening Azhagan muruganidam songs. Nice classical base song.
Ravi said…
Hi Suresh: Regarding "What MSV lost in terms of tautness and structure...", I would like to differ. After reading your posts, I started paying more attention to the preludes and interludes. While in some songs, I did find the interludes were, as you have pointed out, a collection of two or three pieces put together. In some, I did find them to be "loose and hazy" terms which you are to use in later posts (eg.: Minminiyai, Kanavugale, Manthorana veediyil, Vizhiye kadhai) but in many I found them to be crisp, sharp and blending well with the song, only the sound was brighter and more modern (eg. Kalyana naal parkka, Paarvai Yuvarani, Thanga padakkatthin mele and mnay more). Anyway, this is just my feeling, I am not an expert in this matter. I was listening to the famous "Malar ethu, un kangal thaan". I found the prelude absolutely enchanting, especially the way it leads to the pallavi. The interludes, to my disappointment, are too short. Another song that struck me was: Kandathai sollugiren. The alternating simple strains of flute, violin and whistle seem to be the perfect foil for the mood of the song.
In summary, I feel that MSV's later day songs, including their orchestration, defy easy characterization.
Ravi
Ravi said…
Suresh: To add to my earlier note: I feel MSV did not really lose the tautness and structure entirely. It would probably be more accurate (and may be this is what you had in mind too) that in those songs where he did not have them, he made up (or tried to make up) with energy and exuberance.
Ravi
There was a discussion on TKR's contribution and the change in the music of MSV post the split.
1968 seem to be the most crucial year as far as MSV is concerned and not 1965 . Reason being, during 1968, most of his top accompanying instrumentalists like Shyam Joseph ( a great composer in malayalam ), Henry Daniel, Mangalmurthy , Guitar Phillips and few top class musicians ...all left as a musician's union was formed wherein the artists fought for certain basic rights and work ethic in a professional manner. This had severely impacted the orchestration quality . However being a tunesmith MSV's creations continued to be glorious but the tonal characteristic of those legendary musicians could not be matched by the successors... This was the major reason attributed to the difference in the style. One of our friends had a detailed one to one interview with SHyam Joseph who was mentioning about the exit of musicians during 1968.
1968 ANBU VAZHI
EN THAMBI
ENGA OOR RAJA
GALATTA KALYANAM
KALLUM KANIYAGUM
KANAVAN
KANNAN EN KADHALAN
KUDI IRUNDHA KOIL
KUZHANDHAIKKAGA
LAKSHMI KALYANAM
NEEYUM NAANUM
NIMIRNDHUNIL
OLI VILAKKU
PUDHIYA BHOOMI
RAGASIYA POLICE 115
THAAMARAI NENJAM
VUYARNTHA MANITHAN
1969 ANBALIPPU
ANNAIYUM PITHAVUM
ATTHAI MAGAL
DEIVAMAGAN
KANNE PAPPA
KANNIPPEN
NAMNADU
NIL GAVANI KADHALI
ODUM NADHI
PAALKUDAM
POOVA THALAIYA
SAANTHI NILAYAM
SIVANDHA MANN
THIRUDAN

The above are the movies during 68-69. I suggest you should listen to the audios and make your judgement on the quality of instrumental play.
I must also mention about Joseph Krishna - Piano / Keyboard , Ben Surender - Accordion and Keyboard ( he took over from Mangalmurthy. remember Accordion was one of the mainstays of MSV during the great 60s.. You will also realise that MSV completely stopped using it during the 70s.. ) I think the last was for Meenattam kankonda Meenakshi - Mu.Ka.Muthu song. During the early 70s, He had completely a new team.
Suresh S said…
Balaji,

Interesting observation. Yes, such top class musicians leaving him would have had a great impact on orchestration. Shyam has given some top class melodies in Malayalam. His music was very inspired by Salil Choudhary though he worked a lot with MSV.

While the fact that the tonal quality could not be matched by later day musicians is true, there had to be somebody to give that discipline and control which was present during MSV - TKR times. It could have been TKR (or Shyam or Joseph Krishna) but it is clear that someone controlled the orchestra well. Would love to discuss this with someone like Shyam if I get a chance :)
Hi Suresh,

Shyam had worked with MSV between 1955-68 . He had been part of the classic period . Shyam clearly describes the roles of MSV and TKR.... MSV ALWAYS ONLY was the tune composer.
TKR himself has explained his role in a programme ( will try to give the relevant link ).
WHile MSV would churn out tune after tune , TKR would play it to the Singers and Orchestra team on Violin as he possessed tremendous speed and the swaras .
Even orchestration was set by MSV only . The Conductor ( like Puru ) was Govarthanam ( Andha sivakami maganidam and Nadhaswara Osayile ).
I will explain more on the role of both shortly.
We also need to go by evidence available to some extent. If you see the title card, it will show MSV - Udhavi - Henry Daniel or Govarthanam till 1968.
After the split, it was Joseph Krishna mostly.

Again , what kind of roles they had played also is relevant which I will explain .
I have the SHyam Joseph Audios - 10 audios. How to upload here pls.
Suresh S said…
Balaji,

You cannot upload the audio here. You can upload in Dropbox or some such online storage site and give the download link here.
One interesting aspect wish to share here. During the monumental 1964-65 period, it appears TKR was not regular in attending the composition , nor the recording of songs. He would come on occasions. One such was recording of Kan pona pokkile . You all know there is a solo Violin piece which Shyam Joseph was actually entrusted with to play and he had practised very hard and everything was rehearsed and about to record . At that time TKR apparently had entered the recording theatre under insistence from T.R.Ramanna ( the director of Panam padaithavan ) who was also a well wisher to both MSV and TKR.
Since TKR was there, a quick rapproachment was made and he agreed to play the Solo piece and its history now. Shyam had shared this incident.
Since Shyam had to miss out on such similar opportunities, MSV later made Shyam play the melodious piece in Mella po mella po .
Some trivia.
Its noteworthy that who actually was carrying out bulk of the works during the epic 1964-65 phase !

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